Your actions are to be like Jesus not anyone else. Jesus told you how to pray do not stray away with asking things that come from the evil desires of the heart. Get in alignment with God so you ask for things that advance the kingdom. So you ask for God He is all you need. That is how you become a true disciple. Follow Christ Jesus he is the way to the father and none can gain access to the father without Jesus. Love to all Bruce Anders. Those who came into contact with a dead body were considered unclean in the Old Testament.
God does not change His mind; we are not to worship or pray to the dead. There is no one in heaven but our Lord and His heavenly beings as the final judgement has not occurred; their is no need to fantasize any human soul is there according the Bible. Scripture shows Mary present in Heaven. Mary gives flesh to everything the Ark contained inanimately. Who through her seed will crush his head.
Mary is physically present in The Upper Room…. The Body of Christ. She is the Mother of The-Body-of-Christ in every sense. Deuteronomy — There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you. See my reply below re. Asking Saints to pray for us is not socery. That would be conjuring the dead for worldly power or gain. Then He invites His Apostles to leave also…. We are the Saints. Saints, in the New Testament, are never deceased individuals who have been canonized by the church and given sainthood. They are living individuals who have dedicated themselves to the worship and service of the one true God as revealed through his Son, Jesus Christ.
Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the SAINTS did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them. It is Sola Scriptura! But, until you can prove this principle, you have no logical or reasonable grounds for all your criticisms. Jesus never announced Sola Scriptura, neither did the Apostles, neither did the early Church. It is nowhere in the Bible so it is self-refuting and it is contradicted therein many, many times. It is a man-made slogan plucked from thin air over years after Christ by Martin Luther.
How many books on Catholicism by Catholic Authors have you read Spicy? Jesus says to pray to the Father through him, his word is good enough for me. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. God bless. Why do you believe this idea? Ask yourself? Just try to find it in early Christianity. Bibliolatry …. Your paradigm is all messed up. Please if you are on the journey do not settle, do not fear knowledge, be open to all truth. There is nothing to fear. I have no need to go through Mary, to get to Jesus, to get to God.
Jesus said to ask in HIS name. And he has sent the comforter, the Holy spirit to those of us who ask. The spirit has never once urged me to pray to Mary. I have the bible, and the Spirit, and both urge me to Pray to Father in Jesus name. May God bless you. But we HAVE to accept revealed doctrines about her. If you knew The Holy Spirit you would know this……. The Holy Spirit does not:….. This is an instruction for a liturgical ritual.
This paradigm is not only anti-biblical, it is demonstrably unworkable. It is a very recent development influenced by secular ideas. And did you read all the other contenders to check? And Luther wanted to dump much of the NT. Every heretic used scripture texts to push their view, but SS is a heresy without even one text to support it. And since it supposedly vaunts scripture this is the most massive of contradictions.
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God bless you too Spicy. And Luther wanted to a large portion of the NT. Every heretic used scripture texts to support their view, but SS is a heresy without even one text to support it. And since it supposedly vaunts scripture this is a massive contradiction. I will try splitting it into several replies. Here goes…. Here goes part 2….
And remember, Luther wanted to dump much of the NT. Every early heretic used scripture texts to push their view, but SS is an idea without even one text to support it. It is incoherent. Are all very modern heresies. It is not your Bible, but your interpretation of it. Can you not at least see the possibility of spiritual pride? This is just American, privatised, individualism posing as Religion.
Prayerful Bible-reading, as personal piety, is great. The Bible is the family-library of the Catholic Church ….. This individualism is poles apart from the Christianity of the NT, or of the Early Church, or even of the Protestant Reformers who blasted those who disagreed with them. No, my final authority is God the Father. The bible is God breathed, and everything I need to live a Christian life is in it. I pray to God the Father in His name only, as he instructed.
You are correct that many will say they do. Your belief has nothing to do with my walk, only my belief does. Spicy you are simply ignoring the questions. What is your authority for this statement? The Christians fulfilled-Jews just carried this oral tradition on, without interruption, for years till Luther! And you may do this piously, but it is an enormous claim that I pray you reconsider with humility. Do you have a Bible verse for this statement?
Or did you just make it up? Even if you ignore all the historical writings from The Early Fathers that show a Catholic Church, how do you even imagine your paradigm would have worked in that era? Every early heresy used scripture texts to support their view, but SS is an idea without even one text to support it. Emily Cavins, You are so confused. Just because a person was a queen on earth does not make Mary either the mother of God or Queen Mother of heaven both of which were titles given to her by the worlds second largest cult.
Shame on you for twisting scripture and attempting to steal people souls. Why consult the dead on behalf of the living Isaiah I am the Lord your God — why consult mediums Leviticus To all Catholics the one greater that all your dead saints combined is here with open arms waiting for you to repent using these words Romans I pray for your deliverance. Read Isaiah Oh wait, you guys co-opted prayers for the dead from the pagans.
That is MY prayer. This was in all Bibles from the beginning until Luther in the 16th Century of Christianity! Purgatory and prayers for the dead, as well as many other rituals like lighting candles and keeping statues graven images are PAGAN practices that predate Christianity and even Judaism. You seem to cherry-pick to prop-up you have. WHO is your Authority? You think Catholics are deceived and I think you and all Protestants are deceived.
So who is right? I have read a lot of anti-Catholic literature and am not convinced by any of the Protestant arguments. The problem with Protestant anti-Catholicism consists of ignorance even of the Bible , arrogance and hatred. So far I have failed to understand how born again, saved, Christians can be so ignorant, arrogant and hating. I request you to consider where you stand in this respect. Jesus tells you WHY Mary was chosen…..
We all agree how he glorified His Father. And the Gospel tells you….. It behooves us to be precise with our language. Mary is our sister in the Lord Jesus Christ. Mary is among numerous saints God only knows the number who are the saints in heaven. Is Jesus your brother?
If so, then Mary is your Mother too, is she not? Mary Eve has just stood under the tree-of-life after bringing forth her fruit to the tree. She has left it to hang although it was good. And she was standing on the skull Golgotha in the Garden. She has been helpmate to the New Adam. See Genesis Then read Revelations ….
Who did that? The beloved disciples. The Revelation passage refers to it. I posted a link but sometimes that causes a glitch. John gives us hope that God sent his only son Jesus to come and die for us since man was supposed to die when He failed, and that those who believe in Jesus will be save. Therefore the death of Jesus on the cross benefits only those who believe in Him and not anybody else. Mary is a human as any other human. The fact that She was used a s medium of bringing Jesus here on earth does not make her so special that us from the eyes of God.
Did Mary die? Yes, she did. Nevertheless, the bible says we only go to God through Jesus. A few hundred years after Christ, the church Father Jerome translated the Bible into Latin-the language of the common people at that time in the western Roman Empire. His translation, the Vulgate, included the Apocrypha, but only because the books were popular among his readers. Jerome explicitly denied that they should have the status as Scripture.
Jerome said they were not books of the canon but rather books of the church. He believed they could be helpful to people but he clearly stated his belief that they were not divinely authoritative. From the priest I demand the safe-keeping of the victim, from the shepherd the protection due to the sheep. Away with all that is overweening; let the state of Roman majesty withdraw. My words are spoken to the successor of the fisherman, to the disciple of the cross.
As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is with the chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the church is built! This is the house where alone the paschal lamb can be rightly eaten. This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails. But since by reason of my sins I have betaken myself to this desert which lies between Syria and the uncivilized waste, I cannot, owing to the great distance between us, always ask of your sanctity the holy thing of the Lord.
Consequently I here follow the Egyptian confessors who share your faith, and anchor my frail craft under the shadow of their great argosies.
This is how Protestants treat the Church Fathers…. When Protestants just read the Church Fathers they very frequently convert to Catholicism. If you only accept one opinion of one Father…. I keep reading over and over that praying to the saints is the same as asking someone to pray for you. I do not agree with this logic for this reason. When I ask a brother or sister to pray for me I am not praying to them, to make this request. Do not pray to any statue like Mary the statue that is not the way you pray just throw that thing away and pray to God from the bottom of your heart in the Name of Jesus Christ.
Rambo is correct, you should not pray to a statue. That would be idolatry. Which is a 3d image. Jesus was conversing with Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration about what was going to happen during the crucifixion. In Revelations, it says the saints in heaven are aware of what is going on on earth and bringing petitions like incense. One question I like to ask myself is: what did the early church do? We have some of these writings in the New testament aside from the Gospels.
But what about all those folks who knew the apostles for decades? What did they teach their followers? Just some thoughts. I have been waiting for reconciliation and to forgive each other, peaces for me and him, I have been struggling with pain. You always know what was happened because You see everything a most hidden corner, in suffering and disappointments. Without Your graces, we cannot accomplish anything. Teach me how to remain grateful, although this is the most difficult. I really need a miracle, thank you. The way I think of it is that God honors those who honor Him. So God raised each of their names up for their Godly witness.
We all who are justified by Christ are the branches and He is The Vine. That while God may or not share the content of a specific prayer with a branch on The Vine; God knows we appreciate His Grace in that person and do not raise them in any way equal or above Him. I come with a broken heart, my life is ruin, nothing gonna be the same again. Praying to Jesus through Mary is wrong. As a matter of fact praying to Jesus is wrong also. In verses 26 and 27 it gets even better. The Saints, the Bible is talking about, are we who are in Christ that are still alive.
Not Mary, not Michael, not Gabriel, etc. Therefore our prayers that link heaven and earth are important to the saints in heaven too. When asked, Jesus taught us, very simply, how to pray. Over traditions based from variations of different men interpretation based on their own era of time and culture. Some even trying to chastise based from laws of the land of that time, that even Jesus did not follow because it conflicted with Gods word. Like my 6yr old little niece told me. Nothing but love to all!!!! I could pray to my grandmother. I could pray to my great grandfather.
I could pray to the pope! The only thing that I am hearing from this is that god only hears prayers sometimes. I am a non Catholic and I am very curious about this topic. Would you please help me understand a bit better. My understanding is that Jesus told us that we are to pray only to Himself or to the Lord Matthew Again, please help me understand this.
But Jesus is the Christ, and can do what the saints, Mary, and others that have passed on can Not do. Unlike the saints, Mary, and other souls that were conceived by a earthly flesh father. I think if someone could post such scriptures it would help many trying to understand the act of praying to the living souls passed on. Until that is clear to many, praying to Jesus asking for he to intercede on your behalf to God as he instructed in his worlds will never lead you wrong.
Because God honors his word. Jesus would not instruct you to do something, and then punish you for following his direction. But there are consequences for following other instructions over God word, Because God is a jealous God. I pray Jesus leads someone to post the things you ask for, in simple clarity.
Rather than the used car salesman version of let me show you this car instead of the actual car that was advertised that you to truly came to inquire to buy…. Hi—Thanks for your question. Here is a brief summary from the Catechism of the Church about the communion of saints. My idea that I will present next is not explicitly spelled out in the CCC, but this is my take on your question—If we on earth are bound by time, once we die we step outside of time into the eternal dimension and so what is happening in eternity is not bound by the time that we experience here on earth.
There is a scripture that says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord — 2Cor. First this happens…then this happens….. Thank you, Emily. I knew this at one time; thank you for refreshing my memory. I am putting your response in a safe place where I can see it in the future. Even if the saints in heaven can see and hear people on earth still alive in their fleshly bodies.
Can someone please post scripture stating or showing an example where a saint in heaven actually interceded on a prayer of a person still alive on earth, to God the heavenly father. I think that is where most are struggling. I think they are just seeking they way the know how. I think they are truly trying to understand why they should do other than the scripture. John Something showing where a saint in heaven not only heard the prayer, but actually interceded it to God on that persons behalf. Not Just hear the prayer then refused to intercede it to God. That makes me think of when you purchase something without reading all the agreement of purchase.
I will not reach out to anybody else. Why would anyone think praying to a Saint would be pleasing to God when he sent Jesus to die for us? They are not born again of His Holy Spirit and simply deceived. We are called Saints of God,even while on earth ,ones that are clothed by the power of the Holy Spirit Bible is very clear on any way of tying to communicate with dead. I saw here there. They do not see and are blinded how prayers to anyone but God Himself are idolatry.
I used to do that as well,pray to different Saints and Mother Mary, until He had set me free. Even if you do not go on your knees,to physically humble, you are still humbling yourself in your mind to pray to someone other than God. You bow down your spirit to someone else ,who in fact cannot hear you.
Only God is Omnipresent and by your own deceived belief that someone else but Jesus can help you in your prayer to God Almighty is plain idolatry. Idol that people create in their mind, instead of seek Him with all their heart,mind and soul. We, as Catholics believe, that the saints know much better than we do what is best for us, and just as you would go to your mom before asking your dad something Mom, how would be the best way to approach this with dad or with your boss that you are trying to convince of something, you may ask someone who knows the boss better, that is what we do when we ask the saints for their help.
For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever.
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Romans I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. Worship God. Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind Colossians Why pray to them when the Lord says come directly to my throne.
What benefit would one gain by praying to the Mother Mary or other saints rather than going to the source directly? Well, perhaps Mary might put in a good word for you? My mother actually believes this! There is ONE mediator and the Bible makes this abundantly clear without even a slight chance of misinterpretation. Our attention, focus and prayers should be with Him alone. Peter Cianci: If the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to you today, would you be willing to ask her to pray to Jesus for you?
She was married and had other children the usual way. Mary was married to Joseph. Her husband never touched her until Jesus was born. Thereafter Joseph did what a man and wife do as he was told by the angel in the dream not to breakup with Mary. Saint Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary were both completely celibate during their marriage. Celibate not to be understood as unmarried. Matthew 46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. And they were offended at him. John After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there not many days.
John 1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world. Acts These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren. In fact, the relationship was Uncle-Nephew. Not one time. I believe the teachings of the Catholic Church.
Why do you think I should believe your interpretations of the Bible? The bible never said she went to the bathroom, or combed her, or slept at night, but we know she did all those things. We also know she had other children, the bible names them, as the previous poster has shown you with verses.
I absolutely know she had no child other than the Child Jesus. And, you can not truthfully say that the Bible says she did. Only a false interpretation of the Bible would say the Bible said the such. Do you agree that the Bible says Abraham and Lot are brothers and, yet, the relationship was Uncle-Nephew? Regarding your understanding of what the church is: What do you think happens when two Christians have a different belief on a particular matter? What authority do you think determines which is right? How do you think people can know what the truth is about a particular matter such as infant baptism?
Also, 1 Tim. In other words, are we in agreement not one book of the New Testament had been written at that time? And, if we are in agreement, how do you think people were getting their information? The Church is the congregation of all those who profess the faith of Christ, partake of the same Sacraments, and are governed by their lawful pastors under one visible Head.
The Church is all who believe Jesus died for our sins, and love him with all their heart, mind, and soul. Baptism is showing that you choose to follow Jesus, how does an infant make that choice? They have still not posted my original reply because, I imagine, it had a link that they need to check out.
I rarely give a link, but I am going to now. What I am linking to is not real short, but not real long, either. Please note: I found one thing in it that I would have left out, but it did not have anything to specifically do with baptism. I would have to read over the article again to see if there might be one or more than one thing I would have left out.
Well, the link is below, and I do hope you will read it:. And Jesus tells us they will NOT be separated until judgement. How many times must Jesus make this clear to you Spicy? Governed by a lawful Pastor is not a prerequisite of christianity. We are all the church, nut which of us will be caught without oil for our lanterns when the bridegroom comes? If a person wants to formally belong to the Church established by Jesus Christ, that person will have to do what is necessary to belong to the Catholic Church.
My previous post to you had more than one question which was not answered. I am pasting below the part that had these questions. I am requesting that you respond to each question:. We are the bride of Christ, all are called but few will answer. That is the Truth the we the church is founded on. And loving is hard enough without adding all these other rituals. I believed and was baptized. I have received the Holy Spirit which was promised. I partake in communion, which Jesus said to remember him by, I pray to God the Father in Jesus wonderful name as he himself taught us.
His teachings are good enough for me, I am honored and humbled to be shown the way, to have Him as my intercessor. And He is more than enough for me. God bless you. And, from that, you apparently conclude that infants are not to be baptized. My question: Why do you make that conclusion. Nowhere in the Bible does it say infants can not be baptized which includes Acts I have no problem with the Bible. I do have a problem with false interpretations of the Bible.
I hope it is clear to you now: your definition of how the Church is to be defined is not true. And, he told the Apostles to do the same. Furthermore, Paul notes that baptism has replaced circumcision Col. If Paul meant to exclude infants, he would not have chosen circumcision as a parallel for baptism. Which when the disciples saw, they rebuked them.
If so, I would suggest you read the following which is from 2 Peter Question: Do you think that everyone that sincerely reads the Bible is going to believe as you do? Because her womb contained. Just really think about this? Consult the Church Fathers. The widespread denial among Protestants today is mostly a product of higher criticism and post-Enlightenment skepticism.
Or is the holy Mother of God rather not to be honored? Hear us. For your Son denies you nothing. This is Special Pleading, i. European heritage prefers to do. Sunny, read your Bible ans stop relying on a giant, money grubbing cult to lead you astray with nothing but lies. Read your Bible, even the catholic perverted so called Bible will lead you away from that giant cult. Personally, I think she was hot! Mary had four other sons, Joseph, James, Jude, and Simon. Because of the virgin birth, Joseph was not the father of Jesus so these were the half brothers of Jesus.
The last three mentioned are not to be confused with those who were disciples of Jesus by the same name. Here are some passages where the other sons of Mary by Joseph are mentioned Matt. The Catholic doctrine of the eternal virginity of Mary is not supported by the Scripture. They claim these others were sons of Joseph by a former wife, but there is no biblical foundation for this nor forthe perpetual virginity of Mary. The Bible only teaches us that Joseph kept her a virgin until after the birth of Jesus see Matt. Question: Do you ever refer to the Blessed Virgin Mary as blessed.
You say to me: Read the Bible. Please note: The Bible and the Catholic Church are not in conflict. The Bible never contradicts the Catholic Church. Please understand: The Blessed Virgin Mary and Saint Joseph never knew each other as a husband and wife know each other and, then, about 9 months later, the wife gives birth to a baby. Question: How many books do you believe are in the Bible and what is your authority for your answer?
Question: Do you realize that three years after the Resurrection of Christ, not one book of the Bible had been written? Yptettg much done with you. You are incredibly ignorant both in the Word and in the catholic cup. Mart screwed like a mink and popped babies. She lived sex. You make false statements about Jesus , Mary and your church.
You might be the dumbest catholic I ever ran in to. A damn mix of rocks is smarter than you sre. They heard someone say something and they repeat it pretending to know what it means. You are such a foolish person. My idea what it means. You are foolish. So goodbye. Mother Mary, bless her always…was a human just like us. My Mom is Catholic and raised us that way. In fact, she feels the same way as you do. Where in the Word does it say to pray to Mother Mary or Saints as intermediaries?
Now, what happens when someone tells you to show the verse where it is stated the Bible is made up of 66 books? What is your answer to that? Also, you say you have read the Bible multiple times. What exactly would you have been reading three years after the Resurrection of Jesus Christ? Are you familiar with that. And, please note in case you need to: Moses did appear to Christ. Are you willing to ask one of the people at the non-denominational gathering to pray for you?
The Catholic Church has no problem with the Bible. The Catholic Church does have a problem with a misinterpretation of a Bible verse. The Catholic Church also has a problem with a bad translation of the Bible. The Catholic Church teaches it is allowable to ask the Blessed Virgin Mary, as well as any saint, to pray for a particular intention.
Listen, I am grateful for our Blessed Mother and pray for her. I love her very much! However, my Bible tells me that we have a jealous God and any attention that is deflected from Him is considered idolization. Let me ask you, who do you pray to? Do you divide your prayers toward saints and then Jesus? What is your relationship with Christ?
I submit to His Lordship. He says, in need, come directly to my throne. The Bible nowhere instructs believers in Christ to pray to anyone other than God. The Bible nowhere encourages, or even mentions, believers asking individuals in heaven for their prayers. WE, believers in Christ, were left with the same power that He had and that power is not restrictive. Lent for example, a Holy time of the year for Catholics and an honorable one at that, is designed to recognize the impending moment when Christ gave up His body, the perfect Lamb, so that our sins may be forgiven, past, present and future for God loved the World that much.
As a follower of Christ, I believe in observing His sacrifice every single day, not just during Lent. Church was established by Christ. Only God knows that answer. It was a miraculous result of my re-birth, a renewing of my mind and complete surrender to my Lord that I experience a love that surpasses all understanding. Much love and prayers to you Sunny. Let the Holy Spirit be your guide, your teacher of truth, love and hope. In love, Peter.
I will answer that too. And the answer is absolutely NOT! You forget that Satan is the great deceiver, the father of all lies. He has tricked so many people in to making statues, praying to bleeding or crying pictures and statues, he delights that he can steal so many souls by these tricks of his. The catholic cult is now the second largest organization on earth that willfully works for Satan helping him steal souls from God.
Absolutely not. I would only bow to or speak to someone claiming to be Christ Himself if He arrived as the Bible says He will. Iwsrdlg way out. Do I ask live people here, who know me to pray for me, of course I do. That you are insecure enough and confused enough to think that is the same as praying to dead people shows you have zero understanding about what you ask. The issue is the catholic cult having you pray to dead people when Hedus Christ Himself told you not to do it but to pray to Him. Asking a live person to pray FIR YOU has nothing to do with praying TO dead people You have been so indoctrinated with catholic brain washing you have lost all ability to think for yourself.
He is appalled by the evil in it. Constitute, NIT Christ created that cult. When or if you ever want to actually become a Christian and go to heaven you contact me and I will help you. The catholic cult was never even thought of until AD. I feel sorry for you you are headed for hell and only Christ can help you avoid that and you have refused Him. You will not be able to do that because there is no such Bible verse.
Are you saying you would not? You really are that stupid. And even the written word has adopted ideas from earlier religions. If you keep yourself blind and truly never seek the answers of this reality then blind you will stay. That is how countless cults have deceived people. The corrupt Cult of Constantine is possibly the Antichrist! Jesus said, You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. I pray for my brothers and sisters held in bondage. Here are some doors other than Christ…..
He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. Jesus guaranteed that His Church would always teach truth. Just before Jesus condemned the priests, scribes, and Pharisees in Matthew 23, he gave an unqualified approval to their teachings!
The scriptures support the notion of Catholic authority—that the Seat of Moses, passed down in succession for years until the time of Christ and the High Priesthood of Caiaphas—was transferred to the Church where it became the Seat of Peter. Sounds very mediterian gods like. Romen catholic just adopted rituals people used in that area. Even christians use rituals from Egyptian religious dogma. The judeo Christian Muslim religions are just recreations.
Its silly people are too stupid to see this. The ones put in authority, by One Who had it already were the ones who adopted them. But some of them, men of Cyprus and Cyrene, spoke to the Greeks and preached the Lord Jesus when they arrived in Antioch. The hand of the Lord was with them, and a great number believed and turned to the Lord. Acts —21 , but they still had some pagan practices. I perceive that you are very religious in all things. So he was praising them for their rituals. The Saints know much better than we do? We ARE the Saints!
I would say God knows much better. Can you please inform me of biblical reference that states that the deceased in heaven know God better than followers of Christ can know God here on earth? Following your logic of those in heaven saints, Mary, etc knowing the boss ie God better than we do because they are closer to him, how do you reconcile that with the Trinity? If God is only in heaven, where is his Holy Spirit?
If so, then your logic about speaking to deceased saints because they are closer to God contradicts the Trinity. I would be interested to hear your response. We can ask God for help, He can lead us with His spirit. Satan seeks to divide us. All the different variations of Christianity such as Baptist, Catholic, Protestant, Pentecostal, Lutheran etc all seem to have different theologies which confuses people. Imagine what a non believer thinks of us when none of us Christians can agree on anything. The Bible is very clear though. I love my Catholic Brothers and Sisters but this is something that has their eyes blinded and taking the focus off of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One!
Mary nor the saints, nor any Angels are Gods and are not to be prayed to. Why would this surprise us? There are so many things wrong with this Sola Scriptura but…. It is self-refuting. When Paul writes to the Corinthians, Galations etc it is because there were already Churches there. The Bible does not tell you even which books should be in it. How many books are in your bible? On what authority? If you die tonight…. Why would you stop your intercessions. They have no further reward, because the memory of them is forgotten.
It is not for anti-Christian proof-texting. And the author implies a corrective to this sour lament at the very end. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. He has a detailed answer for you…. Men drunk on power and money have deceived countless millions for centuries, and even committed murder.
All else is falsehood constructed for the earthly gain of men! Unfortunately for countless people, you are correct! There are so many caught up in Catholicism man made religion that decided how to worship and honor God their way Even baptizing a child, as good as the intention may be, was never mentioned in the Bible.
I prefer a baby dedication and leading them to Christ through example. Actually infant baptism was mentioned: In 1Co ,2: …our forefathers were all under the cloud, and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. All the Israelites, not just those over a certain age. How old are they? Then Paul and Silas spoke the word of the Lord to him and to everyone in his house. At that hour of the night, the jailer took them and washed their wounds.
And without delay, he and all his household were baptized. They had already witnessed the faith of the head of the household, so he was able to vouch for all. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand ; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. So since anyone can fall away, should no one be baptized? Loved praying, loved Jesus.
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- Genesis 2:1.
Still at 3 is the same. And we are still leading her by example, taking her to church, reading holy books, praying…. Most of the Roman Catholics I have met over the years who have decided to remain in the Roman Catholic Church are often evangelists who are trying to tell the other Roman Catholics that they must experience godly repentance that John the Baptist spoke of.
There is worldly repentance that sadly people do in which they do not do a turn in their behavior, but they continue and think the same evil deeds and thoughts as they always ever had. Do not throw out all the babies with the bathwater! Not all those who go to a Protestant church building are saved either sad to say! I held my tongue for a time and went to the Kingdom Hall a few times.
I heard them out. Thank you for pointing all this out, GodGutsGlory. I agree, the divided church is a big problem and NOT what God intended for his children. Often paradoxical. So the early centuries of Catholic Christianity faced a veritable barrage of such heresies. Of course Catholics go directly to Jesus. If they do, they are acting in the same way we ask our mother Mary to act. If you die tonight….. Can they ask you?
I was wondering why Catholics who follow Christ did so. I know we do not add or take Word from the Bible. As I understand prayer is opening a dialogue, request or worshiping, so why make requests to a spirit that is no longer on this earth? I really am asking out of pure curiosity because my opinion of Catholicism contradicts the same Gospel we all follow??? Emily Cavins, this article is well written and makes some assumptions in the beginning that I think if considered incorrect, may change the aspect of this piece by shifting the perspective of the reader. Your explanation, if one assumes the postulated assumptions are correct, would settle the matter.
The main problem I have is, where is it written that the dead are in heaven before the living? To me it says that God decided to create the universe and all that is in it. But it also says in those few words what the first thing in our existence, He created. This tells me a few things, one is that God is timeless because he created it, therefore He must exist outside of it, sure he can enter it and influence it, but He existed outside of it.
Next, if we imagine time as a train track stretching across a table, and that represents time, with its boundaries being the edge of the table. Would someone who died 1, years ago, or more towards the left side of the table, reach God before someone who is still living and has yet to die? What would this assumption do to your theory about praying TO Mary and the Saints?
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